Maverick Money Makers – Scam or Real Deal

Hello,

Yes I do endorse it. I own it myself. Unlike most internet marketers out there, I don’t endorse products unless I’ve actually used them myself.

Hi Cynthia I wish I would have seen your video a week ago when I joined MMM. I am very concerned. What do you know about this one. I think its worth a shot. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks Lester

you made this video crapping on Maverick Money Makers so you could promote the MSS It’s that simple. Who uses tinyurl to cloak their affiliate links?

This is a complete JOKE.

Hi, I am on MMM and I don´t agree at all. In fact MMM and MSS have no significant diferences. You sell, earn your 75% comission, are paid by clickbank, and move on. So why is MSS better? Its better because you are promoting MMS but MMM is better because I am promoting MMM.
So good luck and good sales to both!
Stay well!
Denis

Dennis,

I have said that MMM has a good affiliate program…but nothing else. You don’t have to pay $97/mo to be an affiliate – sign up for free on Clickbank. I am talking about the strategies on the INSIDE in the members area (those that people are paying $97/mo for to learn). Those are the methods that do NOT work & those are the strategies that he is touting that he used to make his millions! Everybody giving testimonials for the program are nothing but affiliates (& that’s how they’re making their money) & they have not even bothered to try the strategies inside. Like I said, they can’t give an objective review. I can – I’ve TESTED his strategies (not just looked them over) & saw first-hand that they DON’T work (I’m not the only one). I stand by my opinion & my research 100%.

thanks cynthia you made me open my eyes a bit more in regards to MMM.

Cynthia,

You have never been inside the members area. I am a member. First of all, let’s clear this up.

You spent ten minutes dumping on MMM saying that it doesn’t work, yet at the end of the video you plug some other program and say that program will work, that it’s cheaper, and CONTAINS THE EXACT SAME INFORMATION. Oops, was that a slip of the tongue? SO this program you’re plugging contains the exact same informatino as MMM and it works? I thought MMM didn’t work? That’s your alterior motive right there. You spent ten minutes tearing down MMM with your bogus “review” as a hook to plug another product by using the popularity of MMM. Some people know how to do nothing but tear others down. You are sad.

Now, you do not have to join MMM in order to become an affiliate. In fact, you don’t have to promote the program itself if you do join. You will learn the skills to develop a long term online business in affiliate marketing.
You will have the knowledge and skills to promote anything you want and make a ton of money, if you work at it diligently. Mac provides great training in the affiliate section when you join the affiliate program FOR FREE, but it is a fraction of what you learn inside the club.

It is an education like you have never seen about making money online. I’m a member but I’m not promoting it, just using the information and resources to develop other businesses.

peeron,

Get your facts straight. If you actually listened to what I said in the video, read the description of the video or read some of the answers I gave to others here you’d realize I WAS a member..& that’s why I can speak with authority on “Mack’s” membership. I said the strategies Maverick Money Makers claims to teach INSIDE the members area do not work.

Hype on a site is no crime. If the product delivers, I have no problem with it. Money Siphon System is complete & teaches things that DO work. MMM leaves out critical components that makes what he teaches unworkable. Isn’t his whole angle railing against the fact that the other “Guru’s” leave out pieces of the puzzle? He’s done the exact same thing! That is the reason MMM is a joke! But the biggest joke is that people believe that he made his money using these methods. He didn’t – the reality is he made his money as a spammer. Research the guy for yourself.

Why in the world would you voluntarily follow a known liar (who peddled this exact same shoddy info before – at a much higher price tag)…unless YOU yourself advocate making your money by lying as well? MMM has been very successful at getting greedy people to sell a product that they have no idea whether it works or not. And the fact that he does have so many people selling it speaks volumes. Sadly, it looks like some people will do anything for a buck (their 50% commission). Some people have no conscience.

I think you should all be shot. get rich quick, does not exist, unless you are ripping someone off. the only way to earn a lot of money is to work hard and have a bucket load of self motivation and balls. take some risks you lazy fat bunch of losers!!!
p.s. Cynthia, I think I love you

I just want to compliment your research on MMM, It’s a scam as I have researched it myself !

P.S TAKE NOTE TO THE BUSINESS HE IS TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE BELIEVE IS A REAL BUSINESS. LAZY AFFILIATE MARKETER!!!!! WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU RIGHT THERE???????????? HE APPARENTLY IS LOOKING FOR THE SIGN-UP AND DO NOTHING TO GET RICH SCENARIO. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Cynthia,

100% of the credit goes to you for keeping me away from this scam. I took a couple of days to see what was being said about the program and accidently stumbled upon this site. It was very helpful and you saved me some time and money.

I clicked on your link to the Warrior Forum and noticed some responses to the MMM thread at Warrior (I just joined as “Blue Blaster”). Look forward to chatting with you in that forum as well.

Thanks for taking the time to research Mack and his scam.

Hey Cynthia,
were you offered Module X from Jonny? Did you get it? Is it worth it? Is it really the way to finally work the system the right way and not the wrong way? If I don’t get it, does that mean I’ll probably to a lot of stuff the wrong way with MSS?

Hey, I just saw Jonny Andrews’ site for Guru Assassin, and he also claims “as seen in Business Week, Entrepeneur, Forbes, AOL, CNN, Money & USA Today.” Is that a lie too, like the MMM guy?

I replay all the audios, and hear it again and again thoroughly, compared with my voice database system, analyze it, and I can confirm it’s someone with initial “AS” who has the affiliate teaching program on the Net is the narrator of this MMM and formerly Incomegreed.com

Heimir,

You expect miracles! Digga said he just bought MSS. You haven’t even given him time to go thru the entire program. He admits that he has only gone thru the 3rd video of the first module. There are 5 parts to the program. MSS isn’t a “get rich quick” program. If that’s what you’re looking for, there are plenty of scam products online to choose from. MSS is a solid money making program that if you follow the steps, does work.

Heimir,

What do you expect? Do you really expect someone to be making money before they’ve finished going thru a course? I think you have unrealistic expectations. And I don’t even blame you because there are so many scam products out there that promise FAST, INSTANT, QUICK RICHES that people have gotten a warped perception of what it really takes to make money (both online & off). Think about it – can you become proficient at anything FAST? No, everything takes time! Smurfffff’s comment above sums it up.

Sorry about all the posts but,
If you really want to learn this, you can do it free.
Sign up on ClickBank and take their intense 10-day course.
It’s very free and very detailed.

Did you mention that YOU were gaining on this?
All I’m saying is take the 10-course on the ClickBank site first before buying something, it’s completely free.

But I agree with you on the affiliate matter, it can work if you put some work into it. After all, that is exacly what you are doing now and it seems to work well, but its on false pretenses and thats not cool. Calling yourself “The Internet Consumer Advocate”.

Now i have no experiance from either MSS or MMM.
What is the diffrence? They look the same to me, the two paged a almost identical.

You don’t have any proof agains MMM thats why. You just sai a bunch of stuff but thats it, why should I beleve you?
Not that I am defending him.

Can you show me some of those evidence, you didn’t in the video, you just said.

Ok Cynthia, 1st things first, if you did your research. Talking about something negatively without providing facts is called slander. We don’t need a million and ten sources, just two or three credible ones. And it’d be a LOT easier to believe you, if you didn’t plug your OWN program you’re involved with at the end.

Is MMM a scam? yes, but its the same product as MSS too, in fact, i did a ping, and i got the SAME IP address for both sites, funny huh?

So unless the two peopple both sued the same public computer to set up their websites, i think we can safely say they’re the same guy, promoting the same thing, jsut in a different package.

As for affiliating, it is a great way to earn extra money, if you’re really good, provide a steady income, and there are HUNDREDS of courses, online and offline, that will teach you what is inside MMM and MSS, and all those other “we have the REAL secret” sites.

Its simple process really, I’ll even guide you through it in a very BASIC sense. There are a lot more detailed guides out there, just look for them.

Step 1: sign up with an affiliate program of your choice (clickbank is a fine one, as its free and hasa lot to choose from)

Step 2: Choose a product that you WOULD/HAVE bought/used, something you can promote with ease, go for things people would want and need, especially in a time like this, where the economy is down. (I advise a disposible product, something they would need to buy again, and if they keep using your link to buy it, you keep gaining the affiliate credit.)

Step 3: Set up a free site onlne (there are MILLIONS of places available, Yahoo Geocities is one example) and write a review about the product, and why you believe in it. Use keywords on your site that can be slighty related to your product. so if you advertise soap, you could use clean, suds, shower, ect. Don’t throw out rando words like jessica alba (unless you manage to work that into your promotion, then more power to you, lol). as, while it will increase your hits, unless you have a pay per view ad on your site, you probably won’t make any money off the people who discover your site isn’t what they wanted on alba.

Step 4: Promote BOTH your site AND the product you are trying to help sell on forums that allow that sort of thing, networking sites that allow it (post it in a note/blog/journal, ect), and tell your friends and ask them to help promote it as well.

Step 5: Find more products to promote and repeat step 4. Do this as many times as you wish.

Will you become instantly rich? most likely not unless you pick some real winners or are very good at advertising. But if you get decent at it and spread the word a lot, you can easily bring in some extra money each week, even if is only $100, or even only $5, its extra money, and its relatively easy to do. However, you’ll see better results of course if you dedicate yourself to advertising often, when and where you can.

THAT is the only secret to making money online: Dedication, smart product choice, and smart marketing.

Heimir,

The guy is a crook. He ran a similar scam before called incomegreed.com and he named himself Chris.
There are still some sound bits out there like this one http://download268.mediafire.com/3wivxpn13dvg/15qjtyh9gho/press-releases-audio.mp3 from that site. Listen to him. He’s using the very same honest, conforting voice that he uses in MMM. Nobody knows his real name, why would anybody change his name every time he sells something. Don’t you find that weird. I do. I almost fell for this crap and I’m glad I did some research before I got into it. Oh another thing that nobody has noticed. His sells page, tricks you into believing that the price is $97.00 by never mentioning that it is monthly, how about that?

Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering why I couldn’t dig up anything on this guy and his program. Usually I could find out information about other opportunities which would give me an educated guess and lead me in the right direction. So that makes perfect sense; if everybody is promoting the opportunity then that is why there is no bad press. I find that very bias. No program could be that good! There are always going to be good and bad press and normally they are about equal.

I had done a search on the name “Mack Michaels” and when nothing came up I was then very curious and determined to find out why not. Now I know the reason why is because he had changed his name often. Thanks

I was contemplating on purchasing his program but after reading the various articles and your eye opening video you have enlightened me and I have reconsidered.

Thanks for saving me the frustration and pain of yet another scam.

Lets call this what it is, it is a classic example of someone who is trying to trash another product to make theirs look good.

Also there is no way you can say that this doesn’t work. I have been with MMM for about 1 week, and immediately took what I was taught and put it into practice, within 2 days I had already made $200 and that was not promoting MMM but rather other products. What most of you are looking for is a lazy quick button make money doing nothing program and MMM is not that. So rather than putting the blame where is squarely should be (on yourself) you look to something to blame for your lack of persistence and desire to succeed and call it a scam. The sad thing is lazy people look for other people that don’t take responsibility for there actions just like yourself, so they can discredit something before they even try it. They do this so that when they fail they don’t have to look in the mirror which is where the blame should be in the first place. Your motives and your little cronies are a classic example of the lottery mentality. Wake up people!!!!

Hey Cynthia, Was a good video.
Im not doubting you or anything but is there any HARD ROCK evidence that seperates this from any other scam out there?
Any way to insure me that this is the right way to go?

Cynthia,

Thank you for lifting the hood on this SCAM artist!

Whilst there is admittedly a ton of information on the MMM members site, there is no real structure on how a newbie should assimilate that information and apply it. I upgraded my membership to “VIP” member in the hope of receiving mentoring assistance but all I had was a number to call another “coaching” outfit that in turn, attempted to sell me their services for $499!

I’ve sent him a support ticket and requested for a refund and I’m keeping my fingers crossed!

In regard to Maverick Money Makers. Some Q and A

Q: Is it a scam?
A: Not really, but please read on.

Q: Does Maverick Money Makers have some good information and informative videos?
A: Yes, if you are new to IM and the internet there is some really good stuff here.

Q: Does Maverick Money Makers have lots of free stuff and fee ideas?
A: Yes, but most IMers have probably already read it.

Q: Is Maverick Money Makers mainly self promoting?
A: Yes.

Q: Can I make money with MMM?
A: Yes, but the best actual money testimonial out there is only around $200 a month since they are relatively new and already over saturated.

Q: Are the payouts really what the videos say.
A: No. He has some real math problems with what he is saying.

Q: Is the customer service and coaching as good as they say in the videos and testimonials?
A: Yes, it’s outstanding…until you start asking the tough questions and then they claim “confidentiality” or “we will look into that” and never get back to you.

Q: Is Mack Michaels a real person?
A: Probably, but not in this universe.

Q: Is Mack Michaels also Chris Luck?
A: Yes, as well as several other AKAs

Q: Is Mack or Chris or Tan or whatever his name is, associated with incomegreed.com
A: Yes. Although in the MMM knowledge base and FAQs he denies it.

Q: Is it true that incomegreed was a scam.
A: According to several people who bought into it, yes. They were taken for $1000s (each) and “Chris” blamed his accountant. (but still kept the money)

Q: So should I sign up to the MMM “club”.
A: Yes, by all means. AND upgrade to the VIP membership.

Download all the videos, all the e-books, all the turnkey products, all the information he gives you. You can use it start your own site.

And then request a refund.

You can actually make money both promoting MMM and with some of the other techniques, albeit he leads you by the nose to promote his.

The VIP membership (FREE for only $47 a month, yes he says that 3 times) simply allows you the ability to download audio, video and other versions of the lessons/videos and get first crack at promotions and 50% off future products. I don’t know anything about different coaches.

As for things that do or don’t work, that’s a given.

Hi Cynthia
Thanks for sharing your info about MMM system. I was
really going to join this club until your video came
out and save my 97$ dollars. I’m new in this field
but I know there is no easy or fast money that U can make on the net. can you help me out cous
I don’t know where to start.Can you show me the right place to start.
your sincerely
Khalid

Cynthia,
Is Money making talking surveys are scam?

Cynthia, THANK YOU for this video!!! I wish I had known all these things BEFORE falling for this scam. I have contacted clickbank and am waiting to hear back from them about my refunds. (I did the $97 and the $47 VIP). P.S. I am sooo glad I printed out my order page when signing up so that I had my ClickBank order numbers handy. Thanks again for your straight-forward, no-nonsense video. I really appreciated it.

You’re not a Sucker

I wasn’t aware that “Mack” hid the refund policy on his site (I haven’t read his sales page in awhile & I’m sure it’s changed since I joined). You can put in a support ticket but they don’t get back to people right away. I’ve had several people ask me privately how to go about getting their money back. I don’t publish the Clickbank refund link because I don’t want the hassle of people (MMM promoters) harassing me for pointing people who want out to the easiest way to get their money back. (I’ve already had plenty of harassment from my video alone being that I’m one of very few who are willing to tell the truth about MMM.) But yes, that is the link to get a refund. Luckily Clickbank is very quick to return your money. And ANY product you buy thru Clickbank gives you 56 days to get a refund…not matter if the product owner tries to tell you a lesser amount of time.

Hy again!!
get a REFUND if you get scamed!!56 day after you did the purchase!!
http://www.clickbank.com/csinquiry.html
in the- subject of request- just look for the–
Get REFUND and that is it,and you will get your money back!
CY all:)

Hi Gabi

I was spending some time looking about this FAPTURBO
robot system I think I can make some money in this.
maybe I will give it a try. every one is talking about this system and they say it’s great.

Hey Cynthia,

Great looking site. I may have to copy it. JK. Like you, I am probably one of the few people writing a comment that has actually purchased MMM. I have two websites that actually promote my own businesses (not affiliates) and I found many of the resource sites detailed in MMM to be very helpful in building traffic to my existing sites. MMM exposed me to ways to drive traffic to my site that I never knew of before. What people have to remember about MMM and any other money making gurus is that 90% do not get the majority of their money from doing what they promote. They make their money in promoting how to guides. MMM is no different. Do his ideas work? They probably did before 2,000 students all copied the same formula. All I can say is that I have tried many of the “secrets” in MMM and in spirit they work…just not for the dollars he claims. My advice to anyone on the fence would be to join clickbank, buy MMM through your own hop link, test it out for 2 weeks, and get a refund directly from clickbank. BTW…I had a long conversation with the people at Millnic media and aside from the ringtones, they do not even offer the other products he talks about in his videos anymore. In his intro video Millnic Media supposedly had over 265 products to choose from. Now it is down to 85.

As for FAP Turbo, this product works but it is a work in progress. It is a program (robot) that does scalping trades in the forex market. I bought it and I am up 32% in my real money account in the last 2.5 months. BUT I cheated!! My good friend is a professional currency trader and he reprogrammed my settings and gave me insider tips on which currency pairs to trade and which days to trade them. I won’t waste Cynthia’s valuable space here with my own review of FAP Turbo but please know that if you do not know what you are doing you can lose ALL you money in the matter of seconds in the currency market. If you are seriously thinking about buying the product at least read “Currency Trading for Dummies” so you are not going into it blind.

Cynthia,

I agree to an extent. Let me be clear from the beginning. I bought this product and within a week got a refund. Having said that, I came from a totally novice mindset and watched every one of the videos a couple times. I have two online businesses for which I wanted to generate some additional traffic. MMM was good from the stand point that it pointed me in directions I would not have traveled without it. Your readers do need to realize that since the basis of this product is affiliate marketing, Mack spends most of his efforts using MMM as an example. As a result you are fired up to take the path of least resistance and market his product and the health care products he recommends. In every lie there is a trace of the truth. If your goal is to make money with the “quick money blueprints” realize that although I think they are very cool concepts, over 2500+ “students” are doing and marketing the same product in the same manner. Even if it were a phenominal idea, the market is over saturated. What are you going to do build a review site (there are over 300+ for his product) or maybe get someone’s attention by saying “MMM is a Scam” in your adwords campaign (sorry 89 people already beat you to it).

So I’ve said all that to say this…in my opinion as someone who purchased this product and followed the system, there are only two reasons to buy this product: to find new ways promote YOUR product or to have inside knowledge to promote HIS product. If you think you are going to buy this product and get “inside info” that is going to make you an affiliate superstar you are a chump. The only person that truly gets rich from affiliate marketing is the product creator. All the affiliates are the worker bees that spend all their money hoping to break even while the creator sits back and counts the money. My advice (and like I said before this is just one man’s opinion)stop trying to get rich quick. Take a moment to create a quality product and/or service and become your own Mack/Chris. It is cheaper, easier and more profitable.

Let me say again, I agree with most everything you are saying. Like I said, I am a newbie to affiliate marketing. But let me say this, I didn’t just watch the videos. I literally implemented 4 of the 7 quick money blueprints…to the letter. I lost money on 2, broke even on 1 and made a NICE profit on the last one (which is why I said it was worth it from the standpoint of just taking a look at it).

I am curious though…since you defend (and make a good living from) affiliate marketing, how do any of you make any kind of profit when you are all using the same keywords, the same tactics, and all market the same products? I do not ask that question with any disrespect or to be confrontational. It is an honest question from an ex-Wall Street guy taking a peek into a different world. So far all I have seen (and heard from people on forums like Warrior) are people spending fortunes on keywords,info ebooks and programs like MMM and Commission Blueprint just to carve out a couple hundred dollars. Am I missing something? Like I said before, from my point of view (which admittedly is probably the standpoint of ignorance) it seems the only winners are Google, Godaddy, and the publishers. All the affiliates are killing themselves to create “additional ebooks” if you buy from my site and leading the same “sheep” from one crappy product to another. Am I wrong? What am I missing?

LOL. That’s right take a swipe at the Wall Street guys while we are down.

Even though I only had the product for a week for some reason I am still able to log into their system. Go figure (I have my cake and I’m choking on it too). The only blueprint that worked for me was the “arbritrage” model. Those of you that actually bought the product know what I am talking about. I don’t know if his model was good or if that sort of thing just comes naturally for me. But enough of MMM.

How do YOU make money as an affiliate? You said that most gurus leave out things. Which ones do not? Or better put…if someone were to start from scratch (no knowledge whatsoever) how could they carve out a few hundred a day as an affiliate marketer?

Cynthia, don’t worry about your critics, you rep yourself well and stand for wat u believe in, that’s all that counts. Anyways I’ll try to make this quick, no matter how long it takes!! Just a couple quick questions I have, if you dont mind. Have you heard of the mlm lead system pro system or carbon copy pro?(a business in a box product & system). If so, what do you think of it and of the guru’s behind it like MIKE DILLARD, BRIAN FANALE, JAY KUBASSEK, ETC.
Let me no as soon as you have a minute, thanxxx a dozen

@Movements,

I’m not a big fan of MLM so I know nothing about the lead system you mentioned or Carbon Copy Pro. I have heard of Mike Dillard. He’s taken Internet marketing principals & applied them to MLM. He’s not doing anything that most IMers don’t already know, he’s just doing it in a different niche. The things that we know as Internet marketers are foreign to lots of niches outside of IM.

@Kurt,

I disagree with you that MSS is worse than MMM. MMM does have some BASIC info that you might find useful if you’ve never been online (like how to register a domain name or redirect a URL, etc). MSS doesn’t cover those types of basics. But you don’t need to pay money to learn that. A lot of what Mack sells is available for free online (as video tutorials as well). I haven’t had personal experience with WA but I have heard nothing but good things about it & it’s founders.

Sylvia,

Quote: His AdWords tutorial was abominable and revealed a clear lack of understanding of what Google needs and wants and will allow.
Absolutely! If you noticed, he has 2 CONFLICTING Adwords videos & neither work!

Don’t be embarrassed for having fallen for this. As I said, he’s a good marketer. But to scam people (especially in this economy) & to claim that he started this club “to help people” & not himself is low. It’s obvious he’s ONLY doing it for the money. Greed is never a justification to rip people off. Hopefully Karma is real & Mack, Chris, Tan or whoever will get his!

I joined MMM. “Mack” boy has a special report for VIP members called “Project CPA”. I read it about 2 hours ago. He tells you to run ads to hire home based personal assistants. You get them to join gotomeeting.com or a similar site so you can do a “live” interview to see if they qualify with the needed skills.

Of couse you dont’really have a job to offer them. You make your money by commission from gotomeeting. Mack has no feelings of remorse for scamming these people and he is asking all who follow his teachings to do the same thing.

This guy is a piece of work. This is outright fraud.

cynthia I joined mmm feb. refered by owner passport to wealth. I DON”T THINK HE KNOWS THIS BUM!! I think this bum is starting a NEW WEB SITE!!! 4 TO 6 WEEKS COMMISSION ROBOT.COM!!!

Hi Cynthia, I don’t usually visit blogs, and rarely if ever comment… but this time I just had to say two things.

First, great video reviews. I like your honest approach and your voice of experience. This is so refreshing compared to all the other so-called “honest reviews” from affiliates who just want to make a sale… who cares whether the product works or not.

And second, thanks for the review of MMM. I saw MMM in the Clickbank marketplace a few months ago, saw the high gravity, and went to the sales page to take a look… I was impressed. I liked the sales page, loved his professional looking videos, and thoroughly enjoyed his presentation… in short I was hooked. So I decided to put MMM on my long list of things to do… I just had to find the time to dedicate myself to a $97 a month membership.

So finally, yesterday was the day! I was all set to join MMM, but first a little check to see what others were saying about the program. It took awhile to find some honest feedback, but finally I found the thread on the Warrior Forum, and then the link to your site. I was disappointed to say the least… really disappointed. I was hoping to find another really good membership program to refer others to… I was looking for exactly what “Mack” stated MMM was all about.

So all this to say thanks for saving me lots of wasted time and effort on a useless program, and going through the hassle of requesting a refund.

Cheers…Rusty

MMM=CPA FRAUD!!! CPA SYSTEM IS A FRAUD PERIOD!! SELLING FOR $197 GET REFUND !!!

Hi Cynthia,
I’m really glad i found your blog about MMM. As Rusty said, his sales page offers everything i want to learn, and of course i said, finally someone who’s going to share it “all”. Not!

I’ve been burned so many times with useless IM programs, that i now investigate them before i purchase.

In the last three months i’ve investigated 4 programs and come up with 4 scams. This is so sad! but remember we had the same thing happening with junk mail scams before the net, and i guess they had to go somewhere.

But all i want are legal, legitimate programs that actually WORK! I’m not afraid of hard work, i just need to find something that works!

While investigating MMM, i did notice that everyone was promoting the program and i couldn’t find anyone who had actually worked the program itself.

So thank you for your review. When you investigate a program and only find affiliate promotions, you have to know something is off.

Thanks again.

May be MMM is a scam, but I don’t think that there is anything to worry as far as it is on clickbank. May be these affiliates are trying to fool customers but how long can they do so. Can they force anyone not to ask for refund.

Hi Cynthia!

I agree with what you have been saying. I bought MMM just after it came out and I’ve been into Internet Marketing for several years now.

The first thing I noticed was his focus on Google Adwords and his ready-to-use websites have some horrible graphics!

With Google Adwords you have to really know what your doing and Mack does not give you the resources or the tools to win with Google Adwords!

I did get a refund. He advocates using USFreeads which is nother DUD! He offers methods that are not as effective as they use to be!

I purchased a good number of Internet Marketing eBooks and some are excellent, others I have demanded my refund.

Have a good one

Cynthia,

Very good points.

I started learning from Jim Edwards, which was a long time ago

I thought I might learn a trick or two from Mack, but I was completely wrong.

I keep my eye closely on Clickbank and he is making killing, but I’m waiting to see the refunds flood in and his gravity level go way down.

I know he will keep hanging a carrot in front of the newbies, with promises of more videos and superior content.

Cynthia, at least with your honest reviews, you will find a good number of people enjoying your blog. Once the curtain falls around Mack, all the newbies will scatter…looking for REAL answers and they will find your blog.

In the long run “VALUE & SUBSTANCE” will out last these dishonest marketers. I know they will keep changing their methods, but ultimately we will do best to stay vigilant through warning others.

Keep up the good work,

HappyGuy

This blog is very helpful and stays with reality instead of fake promises to the people of being a millionaire in a year.

Has anyone tried the Google Money System, I don’t know what it’s called but apparently Google pays really good.

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Hi Cynthia

I’d been thinking about joining MMM for about a week or so now and was literally going to sign up today but I had a last minute doubt and then I saw your video on youtube this morning.

I’m from the UK and times are tough here too having lost my job at the end of last year. I’ve dabbled in IM before not as an affiliate but I’ve used adwords etc before and can throw a website together and stuff but never made a penny (dime).

Recently I came across a UK guru who genuinely seems to be earning $20,000 per month from affiliate marketing and the package he was actively marketing was too expensive for me but he directed me to MMM.

Being a relative newbie it all seemed like MMM was the holy grail at last. A normal guy made good and wanting to share his success with other normal people. Well I suppose if it seems too good to be true it most probably is.

This UK guru is actively marketing ‘MyInternetBusiness.Com’ have you heard of it and if so would you have any comments on it?

It’s quite pricey to join although there are different levels and support is available and it sounds a good prospect but I guess I’m wondering now if he sent me to MMM what’s the chance MyInternetBusiness is also a bit suspect.

In earlier posts you mention an alternative to MMM , MSS could you tell me where I can find the link so I can take a look at it.

Like most people all I want is a way to make some money so I can pay off the debt, I have no delusions of becoming a millionaire in 6 months for only 1 hours work a week but I do believe its possible to earn a living somehow, surely not everything is a scam.

Thanks again, your site is now top of my favourites list.

Cheers …. Jim

Cynthia,

I’M BACKKK.. Anyway, I see you are still talking about MMM so I figured I would once again throw my 2 cents in the mix. In my last post I mentioned that I tried 3 of his Quick Money Blueprint strategies. I had success with one and the other two fizzled. The one I had success with was the ebay trading. For those of you that haven’t purchased the product, ebay trading is just selling stuff on ebay in one country and buying it in another. As an ex-Wall Street guy we call that arbitrage. I had success with this until I followed Mack to the letter. In his course he uses iPhones as an example. His approach looks and sounds straight forward. Buy iPhones here in the US where they are around $350-$450 and sell them in the UK, France or Australia for double that. For some reason they are much more expensive there. So after making a small amount of money selling other products I tried that technique. What happen…my ebay AND PAYPAL accounts were frozen!! Now this was not a new PayPal account. This was a PayPal account that I have used without incident since 2003! Why? Well Mack fails to tell you that iPhones are one of the biggest scams on Ebay…how did he over look that since according to him “whenever I need to make a couple thousand dollars I just sell iPhones and camera lenses on ebay”…no brainer right?

Paying $97 on clickbank and getting a refund is no problem. But now this product is starting to ruin my reputation. Buyer beware!

On a different note, has anyone purchased Adwords Manifesto? Its author like Mack goes by many different names and I am hearing mixed reviews about it. Any feedback from someone who has actually bought it AND used it.

Hey Cynthia,

since you have more experience in this online world I would like your or anyone’s opinion about Paid-Surveys-at-Home.com. It is legit???

Thank You!

Hi folks, I have just one question, after listening to this audio, http://astonishingarticles.com/scams/mack-michaels.mp3 the voice definitely sounds like Mack Michaels but he introduces himself as Chris. If Mack is genuine why would he use different names? Sounds rather odd to me, thanks for alerting us Cynthia.

THIS guy MACK, who is a SCAM MONSTER!! JUST REDID HIS 2ND VIDEO SETTING UP YOUR DOMAIN NAME!! TELLING you not to use MASKING ANYMORE!! You Will Not Get Payed by clickbank!! On Your AFFILIATE COMMISSIONS!!! THAT’S WHAT HE SAID!! WHAT A RIP OFF!!!

Black Jack,

You said, “well who cares realy just affiliate make money life is to short.” I hope that’s not really how you feel. That attitude is the main reason these rip offs continue & why there are so many affiliates promoting them. They don’t care, they’re just in it for the money.

Hey Rokstar,

Thanks for the compliment on my site. Niche Blueprint is sold out now. It’s from the same team who brought us “Commission Blueprint” (a very good course on PPC – see my review on this site).

I’m reviewing something currently that looks like it’s going to work out well. It’s going to be unbelievably cheap & you get training! It’s still kind of in beta so I promised not to reveal it until they give the go ahead…which should be soon.

Darrel,

How were you able to sign up? The MMM site has been down for 2 days now. Maybe there were short periods when you could get in or maybe you signed up under an affiliate. Someone emailed me “Mack’s” excuse for it. He says “Currently the Club area and the entire MaverickMoneyMakers site is down.” The site going down is the same game he played before when he bailed on the other program (IncomeGreed) & popped back up as “Mack.” I don’t know if that’s his plan now, but it’s just suspicious. He still has lots of affiliates promoting him but thankfully it’s dropping daily.

Cynthia,

I went back to the warrior forum and finished reading all the posts concerning MMM and I see that the thread has been closed. Why is that? I was going to make a post there as well. Thanks.

Cynthia,

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I just wanted to say THANKS for opening my eyes to the cruel money grabbing scams(MMM) littering the net these days. It’s sad to see truely honest people who are just looking for a break or a better life getting sucked in to such BS! Are we that desperate to believe what is not true? whats happening to society? Why is this so called person (Mack/Chris/Pig) still recruiting? he should be shut down and thrown in JAIL!
Sorry, needed to vent.
I see that your reviewing a program, very interested to see how it works when released!

Thanks again!!!

Rick,

Sadly, some people will do anything for a buck! And not just the creators of crap, but the affiliates (promoters) too. It seems more & more people could care less if what they’re selling or promoting works or not. Just as long as they get PAID! For a lot of people morality goes out the window when money is involved.

@Rokstar,

I’ve said before that Jonny & “Mack” are NOT the same person. Have you listened to their voices? I’ve communicated with Jonny many times – you couldn’t communicate directly with Mack if you wanted to. Try it for yourself. If you’ve been around the IM niche for awhile, you’ll see that people steal (maybe copy is a better word) everybody elses approaches (sales letter approaches – they even hire the same copywriters & website designers, squeeze pages, offers, etc). The marketing & conversion tactic of dropping the price when you’re about to leave is prevalent all over the Net (I even have the virtual assistant software to do it…I just haven’t put it on one of my other sites)! Nothing is new or even secret in IM. And anything that may be new is only new for a VERY short time. Guru’s & non Guru’s alike follow everything that’s working &/or successful online & are on top of it before you know it & putting out their OWN version. Most sellers of Internet marketing products are not innovators or originators…they’re copycats!

Rokstar,

When I answered your comment, I’d just got an email from someone going on about MMM & my mind was on that (there are still the defenders who say it works but no one can tell me specifics). Anyway, MSS & TGA are similar but not the same. MSS is more about one affiliate approach with a twist. TGA is heavy on video & more like what MMM is supposed to be. I haven’t gone thru TGA so I can’t tell you everything that’s in it. (I did contact Jonny about TGA before it came out & he answered my questions about it. However I did have someone who bought it tell me they didn’t think it was for absolute beginners.) I’ve bought a couple of Jonny’s previous programs & they all are good so you can’t go wrong with any of his stuff. But if you are a complete beginner to affiliate marketing, I’d check out the program I mentioned in my email to you.

Hey Cynthia, I did some research about day job killer and affiliate project X. It seems DJK deals a lot with adword campaigns which can get expensive. APX is pretty much clickbank affiliate stuff which is more suited for newbies. Have you heard of one week marketing or squidoo queen which are ranked pretty good on clickbank. Just want to hear your thoughts. Thanks

Rokstar,

Thanks for the info!
I’d be happy to check your site out.

Shorting is not easy and yes you need to do your research, but as I’m sure you know, the market is hard to predict right now and I don’t think there’s alot of confidence out there, just some big players controlling the ups and downs to their benefit.

can anyone tell me something about MYINTERNETBUSINESSCOM, is it a scam or a real one

I’ve been a member with MMM since January this year. I was very impressed with the content in the beginning and said to myself ‘how could anything go wrong’? After investing $2K, I’m really pissed-off cause I could not get a single sale (only 2 sales from outside the US where I come from, and that too, one decided for a refund).

MMM doesn’t really work. I’ve followed the step-by-step process and am now convinced that MMM is a load of B.S!

Around the Net more & more Maverick Money Makers members (& affiliates) are getting frustrated with not being able to make money with the program & the lack of customer service. Members are losing money big time following the video instruction & no one is there to help them. I’d definitely call that “leaving out pieces of the puzzle!” I saw where one disgruntled former member is having his staff write & submit 3,000 articles talking about how much of a scam it is!

Sam,

You definitely gave it a shot! The defenders of this program try to blame the members for the failures. I unsubscribed to a marketers list today because he sent me a link to MMM. I emailed him why I unsubscribed (& that he obviously just promoted it because of the high CB gravity), but he probably doesn’t even care. You’re right, what good are step-by-step instructions if they teach you strategies that don’t work? Not surprisingly, most of the other videos are just as bad. I’m astonished to see people still hanging on with this…most are trying to make some affiliate money but at this point it’s pretty saturated.

Brian,

As I’ve said MANY times, not every method or program is for everybody. Just because you think you can make money isn’t the only reason to do something. If you do something only for money & it’s not something you enjoy or have a real interest in, you’ll quit & never make a dime.

Check out the folks in my Resources area & see which one resonates with you…then decide. You can make money with all of them. (If you feel Jonny is right for you, go with MSS. It’s one approach vs many different options with TGA.)

Oops!
Just signed MMM today. I will be with MMM for a few days and see what happen. Good to know that I can ask for a refund. Thanks

Keep up the good work!

Ana

Thanks for your website. I’m a newbie looking to try something out, and was trying to find negative response to MMM which seemed pretty hard to do (because of all of those affiliate sites I’d assume!). I stumbled upon your site today. Thanks for saving me my time and money, and I’ll use your resources to start my search.

There are many ways to make money online but not all of them are businesses (most are quick ways that are not set up for long-term success – which means if they work at all, they’ll only work for a short time before you’ll have to look for something else). I don’t tell anyone what program to get involved in. Check out the people in the Resources box & see which program resonates with YOU because not everybody clicks with every one. If you get involved with something that isn’t right for you, you won’t stay with it long enough to have real success.

I have never heard of any of the programs you mention. PTR programs are not a true business model but a “make money quick” scheme. And it seems like a lot of work for very little return – sort of like surveys. This $5600 you earned…did you receive it or were you just told you earned it? (Reading emails for $100 each sounds unbelievable to me!) These types of programs are notorious for being short term, having exaggerated income claims & sometimes don’t pay out. Why work so hard for a few dollars when you can get involved in a real plan and make enough money to have a long term living online?

Ha, Mack Micheals, his name is Chris Luck, and that’s probably another fake name, he scammed me and hundreds of others on IncomeGreed.com just Google it then used our money to promote his new scam site.

You want a site that delivers as promised day and day out that will even refund you on day 1 if you arent happy, join DominateIM.com, it’s got like 800 members and you wont find a negative word about it, and thats a direct link I don’t make a dime off it. Chris Luck will get his believe me!

Sound’s like johnny oh on needs to clean his ears out!!

PS: I can barely stop laughing HAHA
Are you really an “Advocate”? Did you followed some sort of school?
I highly doubt it. Maybe you saw “The Devils Advocate” to many time

Sorry, but I could not help it. You see how easy it is to “punch someone in the face”?

Hi Cynthia, I actually found you on youtube on a very convincing review about mawerickmoneymaker.com. I like your straight-forward reviews and the most important the arguments you provide. Nice job. On the other hand, I believe if you keep doing JUST THAT you will have my trust on what you write about. Can you believe I was actually buy that stuff? Thank you so much for opening my eyes BTW: Nice blog you have here. I actually love it. Can you tell me where did you get the theme?

You’re making erroneous assumptions my friend. My comments about MMM are not negative…they’re TRUE. Just because you don’t like what I found doesn’t make it any less true. If you would have researched you would have found it yourself!

For someone who claims to have had limited experience with MMM & was NEVER a member, you’re sure a strong defender of it. You’re defending something that you have NO IDEA whether it works or not & you blame people who it doesn’t work for. Priceless!

I never said marketing was bad. Marketing to sell crap is DISHONEST – it’s called ripping people off. I don’t need an education in marketing from YOU! Someone who bailed on marketing a product after only 2-3 days & used the “excuse” that there’s too much bad ‘bluff’ around it now isn’t someone I choose to listen to. I get my marketing education from the EXPERTS (like Dan Kennedy, Gary Halbert, John Caples, etc).

I have better things to do than argue with you over this, especially because you can’t talk intelligently about it. How can you talk about what you’ve never experienced? Come back when you’ve BOUGHT the product & USED it. Only then can you make an informed comment about it. Until then…

Godlike,

I’m not here to piss you off, but you need to realize there’s alot of BS being sold on the net these days. These sites promoting instant wealth or better yet “life long security” with outdated products or products that just don’t work is imoral.

Being an affiliate for a product that doesn’t work is not right, It’s not!
I understand affiliates make money by selling other peoples products, no brainer, but selling a product you’ve never tried and promoting it like its the best thing out there in my opinion is false advertisement. Maybe you should’ve done your research first before you got scammed yourself promoting a faulty product.

I’m not here to defend Cynthia, obviously she can defend herself, but I’d like to defend all the poor suckers, me included, who fall into these so called money making traps and make no money at all. Time is very valuable to us newbies and time waisted on crap that doesn’t work is downright DEPRESSING.

I’m just getting into the wounderfull world of IM and I have to say, if it wasn’t for chat sites like this and a few others I’ve stumbled upon, I would’ve made some pretty BIG mistakes.

To all of you out there just starting, go with your gut, if your unsure, scared, or lost, look for sites like this, read the info over and over and ask alot of questions.
Don’t commit til it feels right.

You can’t convince some people. He doesn’t even feel the need to review it before he makes his uninformed comments. If that isn’t the height of IGNORANCE, I don’t know what is!

Hi Cynthia…
I’ve been following this thread and been wondering, are there any good, real sites, that really work?
All i’m trying to do is make about $1000 and i don’t mind if it takes me 1, 2 or 3 months, and i am willing to work…
Please help,
thx alot
John John

Hi John John,

There is no “Get Rich Quick” – no matter how much the sales page hype claims. And whatever you do is going to take time or money. Since you have limited funds to get started, you’ll be investing time. And if you have no marketing experience, it will take even more time because of the learning curve. You could end up spending a year to finally make a living online. (Many people don’t like that answer but it’s the truth.)

As I tell many people – both on this site & privately, I can’t tell you what is the right program for you. I don’t know you. Only YOU can decide that. Not every program or method resonates with every person & that’s why I can’t just tell you which to select. So you have to find what feels right to YOU. Check out the people in my Resources box (I’ve had experience with all of them) & see if anything clicks. Then buy it & try it for yourself.

The bottom line is you have to do your homework. It’s not rocket science to figure out if some is too good to be true or based on a pyramid scheme. Many good programs exist out there, however you’ll get what you pay for. If there’s a true guru sharing his knowledge you can’t expect it to cost a hundred dollars or there abouts. It’s also not hard to find the good the bad and the ugly about anyone by name. If you can’t find a history then chances are very good it’s a scam. Just my 2 1/2 cents…

cheers
StevenH

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hi cynthia ,
am glad i found this site before i purchased MMM. I purchased few online money making schemes which turned out to be totally useless. i dont know much about internet marketing and all but i really need to pay off some debts. Is MSS genuine ? Do i have to sell products ? does it have step by step instructions ? Am not very good with this …am a biginner .

Well well well, an advocate of true proportions..
where do you get your information? you never say do you..? Where and how do you make your money…your quick to slander others but you don’t offer an honest alternative. If your an advocate of whats right on the Net then you should offer alternatives otherwise why should anybody believe you..
I am a member of MMM and I have seen the inside..its damn good and a whole lot better than many of these so called gurus that are out there now.. tell me what website doesn’t hyper inflate the truth..
Your simply a critic with no resolve.. a forked tongue with no options,

The marketing techniques that Mack teaches are right on, the same techniques are being taught every where you see an SEO report..and on many other topics.. I have tried some of the techniques and I presently have a site on the first page of google utilizing some of the techniques I listened to from the videos. this has been a huge achievement for me and I did it for free just like he claims you can..
Tel me ..did you pay for your college education?
I thought so..

And by the way if you sell the membership to someone else you only earn $47.00 a month you get 2 people and your membership is then free, so how is that so freaken different from all the other crap and I do mean crap thats out there now..

if people don’t get it..its because their stupid and couldn’t think there way out of paper bag anyway..

so keep on rambling honey bunch.. I’ll be keeping an eye on you just to give you some of your own venom..when its deserved..

touche sweetie…

Cynthia

Ran across MMM a couple of weeks ago. Attempted to do some research a couple of times (this was my third attempt) but as you stated, I only found sites promoting MMM. I am glad I found your site.

I am always wary of sites that promote Massive income quickly and claim they are in business only to help people but then charge a fee to make sure you are committed. MMM’s 60 day refund sounds good but I have seen such claims before and most are not honored. MMM may refund money back within the 60 days but I will not be purchasing to find out.

I plan to go to your site and take a look. No promises of course.

Thank you for your comments and answers to other comments (I actually got tired reading most, but not all, of them).

Hi Cynthia ,

btotal: $4.95
Tax: $0.00
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Payment Number: 1
Future Payments: $72.05, billed bi-weekly (every two weeks

i purchased MSS ….this is the clickbank statement . Is this a one time payment or are they going to charge me $72.05 every 2 weeks?
if they are going to charge me again then how to i cancel it. I think the manuel is too complicated for me ..lol…do you know any PPC site that genuinely pays ??
Thanks ,

HI Cynthia:

first of all thanks for your review of MMM…I found it by doing a scam search about the program!

But I am also interesed in knowing if the the program you are recommending will lead me to good products…with drop ship and the ability to put ad sense on the sights ect…I have listened to Johnny’s pitch but of course he leaves out the details like they all do…

Thanks,

Sandra

Oh kk I was reading a blog about it and the guy said something about selling some kind of hair growth product…so I assumed there had to be products involved…

Thanks,

Sandra

Cynthia,
This blog is very interesting. I was very dissapointed and defensive when I first began reading it because I was sold in the MMM thing too. I never sign up for anything before i research it though and I am glad that I have. I would make a reccomendation: I know you like others to do their own research and you have provided some wonderful ways to do so but siting your own experiences helps you to not just sound like you are dumping on the other guy so to speak. I would havge been very releived to see some proof of what you said in the initial video. If I were not cautious by nature I would have just passed you off as someone who just wanted to discredit the other guy.

I am so furious that this Mack/Chris/CROOK is still operating I could spit nails. He belongs in Jail. I am very pleased to see that as time goes on there aren’t many more silly fools willing to vouch for this worthless product. except of course for Doglike/consiencelessfreak who would probably sell his mother to a slave trader if it would make a buck. Yeesh! also, I’m no english professor but some of the spelling and grammar on this site is atrocious! Sorry, totally irrelevant. I am going to check out some ot the reccommendations on this site. Thank you all for sharing.

Practikal Mama,

I actually would have had no axe to grind with “Mack” if his product would have delivered (& would have said so if it did). My intent was never to “go after” him, it was to present the truth about his program. (I spend my OWN money buying these products & don’t get free review copies like a lot of “reviewers”. Besides, I couldn’t give an objective review if I got the product for free.) I have domains that are worthless following his advice. Luckily Google declined my PPC ads before I lost any major money because I was violating their TOS following Mack’s video. I could site a few other things. But no matter how much proof I could have shown, (right on this site I have audio of when he was “Chris”, other people relaying their experiences following MMM, a link to a site HE recommends using saying what he’s doing is fraudulent, a link to a video showing how marketers like him fake their earnings in their video), but as you can clearly see from some of the comments (both here & on Youtube) that “Mack” will have his defenders no matter what! People are going to believe what they want, even if undeniable proof were staring them right in the face – because they will find a way to either deny it or justify it. Just look at the number of people still trying to make their affiliate commission on MMM (I’m sure many of them know it’s a rip off but just don’t care).

Isn’t it enough that the guy ripped people off before (which can be found via Google with only a little bit of digging)? A leopard doesn’t change his spots & Mack/Chris/Tan or whatever name he’ll go by next is nothing if not a consistent rip off artist.

You have to hand it to the guy, he found the “sweet spot” when it came to price on this. Income Greed was just too expensive @ $497/mo so he could never get that many people to join. Plus for that amount of money, people expected RESULTS! (He/Chris couldn’t deliver & vanished.) At $97/mo, many people will let their credit card take a hit for a few months before they cancel – even if they NEVER did a thing with the info. Those are the SAME people who say the info was good (because the videos LOOKED like they made sense. Mind you, they never implemented anything). It’s like saying chocolate covered dog poop are gourmet chocolates. The only way to know is to eat one!

You’re wrong about your assessment of what I’m doing but are absolutely entitled to your opinion. No matter what I say you will believe what you want. If I were out to make money off of this I would do EXACTLY what “Mack” did: buy a bunch of PLR ebooks of questionable value, make videos out of them, sell it as a membership & claim that that’s how I made my millions online (being sure to show my faked income shots). Where is my membership club?

I know about marketing with postcards but are YOU promoting anything besides MMM (I realize you are an affiliate)? Methods to promote MMM (& “Mack” getting half the profit) seem to work out OK (not fantastic – most affiliates are lucky if they make a few hundred dollars but hundreds of affiliates doing that make Mack a very nice income), but methods to make money exclusively for yourself don’t seem to.

You admit that “he is short on some things he teaches but then everybody is.” But before he changed his sales page (& removed his? picture & the video of his wife & kid), what he claimed differentiates him from the others is that “he doesn’t leave out any pieces of the puzzle.” So you’re justifying (or excusing) the fact that he does. Again, several strategies DO NOT work & if you look around this site & all over the Internet, you will hear from people who followed certain methods & not only failed, but lost considerable amounts of money in the process. The decent & honorable thing for “Mack” to do would be just to eliminate the strategies that don’t work. Wouldn’t you agree?

I don’t sell my own products here. I recommend products that DO work & can vouch for because I’ve USED them – something most affiliates don’t do (they just go for the money & don’t care if what they’re promoting works or not).

I see you posted a comment to my Youtube page as well. And if you read my response you’d realize that “Mack” has changed the site. For one, he’s removed his picture (because that’s NOT him). But a simple search around the Internet will reveal many people who will tell of the Millnic Media video & how “Mack” didn’t deliver on it (it was “bait & switch” once you got inside).

Yes, there is some useful information in MMM but it’s info you can find for free all over the Net. For ex, learning how to set up domain names or redirect – those tutorials come with every hosting account. But there are still people today who are following his instructions to the letter & getting their accounts suspended, losing ad money, etc.

Your Youtube bio says you’re a Christian. Doesn’t it bother you that “Mack” ripped off people just before this when he was also pretending to be someone else? What about “Project CPA” Quick Money Blueprint where he tells you to lie to job seekers about a FAKE job so you can make money? Does it make it OK because you’ve learned some “useful” information? Did you listen to the recording on this page of when he was “Chris”? I didn’t create that & you can do a voice analysis & see it IS the same person. (Pen names are fine but he denies that he ever was once “Chris”.)

I say good luck to you. If it works for you fine, but I haven’t had anyone come back to me yet & tell me that they’ve made any money to brag about (& the only money they have made has usually come from being an affiliate for MMM). Making money for Mack seems to work, but making money solely for yourself doesn’t seem to. I wonder why? Maybe because there’s no financial incentive in it to make sure the info is accurate and can work for you. But his affiliate videos to promote MMM are sure thorough & complete. He even changed them when he found certain things weren’t working & were getting people thrown off of forums for example. We all do things for selfish motives – that’s human nature. But to pretend that you’re selling a product to help people (which was his angle), when you’re ONLY about the money is sinful IMHO.

As a newbie I know you want to believe that the guy is honest (he has a sincere sounding voice), but is the fact that there is a 27 min audio that starts off with him saying “Hi, I’m Chris…Income Greed” not proof that he is now pretending to be someone else? Look in the Knowledge Base in the members area & you’ll see that he denies it’s him. But like I said, voice ID software will confirm it is & anyone who listens objectively will know it is too. I have a background in audio & people don’t change the rhythm, the cadence, the phrasing or the way they pronounce words when they are speaking normally. Chris & Mack are one in the same.

I’ve said before (many times) that many people were unsuccessful with MMM because many of the videos were outright innaccurate. Mack professes to have used the methods to make his money. If he really did, he would know which ones didn’t work & the ETHICAL thing to do would be to remove those so people would have a better chance of success by not even having to deal with the losers. But he continues to leave them in. With so much stuff on his site there is no way he can know what will appeal to what person. I know from several people that he knows which ones don’t work because people have put in support tickets about them. But they never get answers on how to make them work. And some of the ones that involve you spending money for online advertising can LOSE you money. Why not just ditch the duds?

(BTW, the Millnic Media video is right there on his sales page under the “Proof Video”. But you’re right, there’s NO mention of it on the inside the members area – like he says it will be in the video.)

On the MMM promotion site there is a video which talks about the affiliate program. Some may view that video and think that they can promote MMM and make some cash. However, if said person, being new to this business, doesn’t take advantage of the information taught to members he or she may realize too late that they cannot forward their domain to the MMM Clickbank affiliate site on Google AdWords.

His site is changing & evolving based on people having experienced frustrations trying to promote MMM. That re-direct thing is fairly new because he used to tell people to do it. It’s only when people started having problems that he changed it. He used to tell people to go to a particular forum & leave affiliate links. But his members got run off & he had to change his video telling them not to do it anymore. So essentially the members are guinea pigs. They try things to promote MMM, they don’t work, he re-tools. Why pay to be a guinea pig? Again, if he really did make his money doing these things, there would be no need to reverse a strategy. But it seems that the only videos that get ‘corrected’ are the ones that directly help you promote MMM.

MSS is a good program. It doesn’t have hundreds of things to choose from like MMM. But that’s a problem with programs like MMM…especially for newbies. There’s too much stuff & no concrete direction there. Jonny has several modules that you can follow. You start out slow with affiliate marketing (he even shows you how to find good programs to promote) & once you gain experience & knowledge of what you’re doing, you can move onto another module. You can make money with each, or stick with one & never move onto another.

I say this all the time, not every program is for every body. Jonny’s style may not suit you. You have to find a program & teacher that meshes with your personality & temperament. But the bottom line is to stick with a method until it delivers the result it’s supposed to, or proves that it doesn’t work (then of course you drop it).

I answered the question about MSS, but you didn’t answer the question about Project CPA. MMM aside. Is it OK to lie to people & tell them you have a job for them when you don’t only so you can make a commission off them? If you answered ‘No, it’s wrong to lie’ then that is a method you will find inside MMM. You’ve just started & probably haven’t seen it yet (& I don’t know if it was available to everyone or just VIP members). But that’s dishonest. Isn’t it? The character of the man you’re dealing with in MMM sees nothing wrong with promoting such a thing. In fact he touts it as a quick way to make $1,500 any time he wanted. The company he recommended using to perpetrate this scam on innocent job seekers even posted on their site that it was fraudulent, said they had NO affiliation with him whatsoever & even gave links to Government sites to report such behavior. I didn’t make that up, here’s the link

If you can ever afford it, Frank Kern is a very ethical marketer. But his stuff is expensive – usually around $2K & worth every penny. And you can search all over the Net & you won’t find a negative thing about his products or him (other than maybe someone doesn’t like that he has long hair or is barefoot a lot). But his stuff is solid & he freely gives info to help you make money even before you give him a penny. (I don’t make a dime recommending him.)

I’ve been looking for ways to learn money making techniques for years, but it never seems like anything is legitimate. I joined MMM about 2 weeks ago because it actually looked like Mack (or whoever) was giving the information I was looking for. He seems as honest as any other merchant pushing a money making program, but my impression is that everyone with a similar program uses dishonest methods to an extent. Marketing is a form of sales, which involves showing enthusiasm over something you that may not even like yourself just to get your commission. In this respect, most marketers/salespeople are dishonest to some degree. Even an honest pitch can seem shady when certain points are left out or the wording is questionable. Even though there can only be one “best” of anything, is it a lie for someone to say “my product is the best in the world” when, to them, it is? It’s really up to each individual to determine what is best and what is right. It all depends on the motives behind each person’s comments.

Right now I’d be happy averaging $100 a day. I know that “get rich quick” is a ploy and that you do have to work to get that huge income over time. That’s one thing that sold me on MMM, although I’ll be leaving them soon. Everything I need to know probably can be found for free somewhere on the internet, but I don’t have the time to dig for it. I’m probably more objective than most when it comes to all these programs. The best one for me is the one that actually shows me the tools and techniques that really work to make a decent living online. I’m not one to lie to make a sale, but I have no problem selling other products than just the one I think is best because I don’t believe there is an all-knowing, all-seeing product out there. It’s a matter of comparing what each one offers and using a little common sense. I also don’t believe in trashing another product to sell one’s own, but being able to prove why yours is better makes it a little more acceptable. Cynthia, the audio of Chris is a good one. I know he’s not completely honest, as I’m sure none of them are.

I’ve been looking at MSS (and others) lately, but it appears to be an MMM clone. Actually, most landing pages these days look like they were designed by the same person, so who really knows who you’re dealing with and what you can expect? I haven’t seen all the MMM videos yet or been able to try anything from them, but I’m about to start a CPA campaign. I guess the whole point of this rambling is to say that if there is an almost perfect program out there, I’m open to it. I’m not ready to buy into another plan just yet, but when I do, I need proof that I’ll get what I’m looking for. Cynthia, you seem very confident that MSS shows you the things MMM leaves out, so can you give me some examples of this, particularly with CPA? What exactly is Jonny telling that Mack isn’t?

It seems MMM affiliates are pissed at me because this site is currently ranked #1 on Google for ‘MMM scam.’ Many affiliates claim it’s hurting their ability to promote it. I say if the guy had a better product that delivered, there would be no need for a video like this.

The people promoting it get upset with me but “Mack” is the one they should be upset with. As seen on TV, Millnic Media, fake business ratings icons, promoting job rip offs, Mack/Chris/Tan/whoever & more – all LIES!. Some people will turn a blind eye to all kinds of things if it means they might make some money.

I was an MMM member myself, and I’ll have to admit that I fell for it hook, line and sinker. He has a very attractive set up that looks legit. I was also puzzled why the picture was removed.

Nearly every internet marketer out there preaches to stay away from selling make money online products because it’s a saturated market and too expensive. Mack Michaels didn’t even flinch about it.

Mack Michaels said in his training that top sellers were ringtones (Squidoo won’t let you write articles about ringtones), free trials (the Acai Berry scandals blew that one up in my face), and another one I forgot.

He showed us his Yahoo Answers Method which got me suspended from Yahoo Answers twice.

I tried advertising using his Pay Per Post method. That was a waste of money. I didn’t get one iota of traffic.

But I kept plugging away. I really wanted to believe him. He was soft-spoken and gentle. He’s got Twitter fans, etc.

A couple things disturbed me: He announced on his site, his webhost went down for 12 hours and he screamed at them to get it back on. Thanks for your pateince, blah, blah, blah. I understand that can be frustrating, but no need to be irate. If you’ve been doing this for ten years, then you should know that webhost crashes are common.

His CPA project is another method that made me feel uneasy. I bought it, but never implemented it. The CPA project is about an online call center service that if you get people to sign up, you get $100 in commission.

He taught how to arrange a (it really looked legit, too) a job offer to work at home moms and people wanting a part-time job. He shows you how to go through the whole process, how to follow up, and after you make a certain amount of commission to your satisfaction, you can send out job rejections. You know, thank you kindly for applying, but this position is no longer available, etc.

I just couldn’t swallow creating a fake job, giving false hope to someone who really needs the money, and then faking like I no longer needed them just so I can get them to perform a CPA action. That’s taking advantage of the unsuspecting.

I really like internet marketing. I think it’s innovative and freeing, but I’ve just about given up on it. Don’t know who to trust anymore.

Gina,

Behind “Mack’s” soft, gentle sounding voice is a true scammer (he has a history of it). No one wants to believe someone like him (even though they have NO idea if the guy in the picture is really him) would rip them off or give them bad info. Still even after people get burnt trying to follow his video instructions to the “T”, there are others who will come along & blame YOU instead of Mack – who should shoulder all the blame for selling bogus info & passing it off as something he USED himself to make his fortune.

The only people having any sort of “success” with MMM are those who have Internet marketing experience & can tweak & modify the incorrect &/or unworkable instructions given. Beginners should NOT get involved with MMM because they can’t sort the good from the bad. And it will end up being a very expensive & frustrating lesson!

Someone else has asked about WA. I haven’t had any personal experience with it but have heard good things about it.

I read an interesting comment today that applies to “Mack” & his ilk: (Paraphrased) “The buyer must beware. In reality, selling crap is not illegal, BUT it is immoral. As marketers, we must consider how we want to run our business – as ruthless bastards who pillage and plunder the unsuspecting or uninformed, or as ethical marketers who build a business with a good reputation.” Mack & the other scammers out there are unethical & have no conscience. As long as they can make money, everything is fair game. As far as a good reputation, ask previous customers of “Income Greed” & Chris (aka Mack Michaels) what kind of reputation he has.

[...] Making Money? Blog Making money on the internet and scams « Surveys Are Fun But…… Maverick Money Makers – scam or dream come true? July 9, 2009    I was sent an e-mail ad for Maverick Money Makers aka MMM and decided to check it out.   The first turn off for me was that it’s $97/month.  That’s $1164/year.  A bit to pricey for me anyway you break it down.  I decided to check the Internet to see what others had to say about it.  I had trouble finding someone out there who had something to say about MMM that wasn’t trying to sell it.  And if they weren’t selling it they were putting it down and trying to sell their product.  It got kinda funny.  I did find a site that claims to be a consumer advocacy site.  “Cynthia” calls herself a consumer advocate and reports on Internet products.   Honestly, I just read the report on MMM and most of the responses .  She considers it a scam, but she has a product that she says is better and less expensive.  She is up front about being an affiliate for her product.  The comments and replies are worth reading.  Some are funny.  I only read from the beginning in January 2009 to February 16th.   I would suggest any one looking to make money using the Internet read at least to 02/16 on her site at http://www.isitworththemoney.com/maverick-money-makers-scam-or-real-deal/ [...]

The Federal Trade Commission recently announced a law enforcement crackdown on scammers trying to take advantage of the economic downturn to bilk vulnerable consumers through a variety of schemes, such as promising non-existent jobs (one of “Mack’s” Quick Money Blueprints); promoting overhyped get-rich-quick plans (he promises riches in one hour an day), & more. Some big names are being targeted. It’s only a matter of time for the other scammers out there.

You can market your business so that you will make money long term if you are honest & reputable… or you can scam people (change your name multiple times) & make money short term – & probably eventually end up in prison.

Read about it here…

Thanks Cynthia, I am glad I have found one honest review about MMM. I was thinking about to join and after listening to you, I dont want to look stupid by spending $100 and try it myself. Trust ur honest words.

Once again thanks

Here is part of a comment someone tried to post here:

“I think this is terrible marketing for greed and I am pulling the plug on MMM now as I have no need for a company to play games with my bank account…”

I didn’t approve it because they had a link to their own (or someone else’s blog) to buy the course at a discount. Sorry but I do NOT allow ANY links to MMM on my site – too much of it doesn’t work (other than being an affiliate for it), I won’t promote it nor will I allow anyone else to promote it using my site!

I’m tired of all these big names taking advantage of people who are in desperate need of money. thank you for caring for the people Cynthia.

TanyJ,

You’re a smart & caring young woman as I see from the video on your site. Many people don’t see through the veil that “Mack” has put up. They believe because they want to believe. Even those making NO money stick with him because they’re waiting for that “great secret” that will be revealed in next month’s update. It never comes & it’s the same game he played with “Income Greed.” If he can string people along long enough, he can continue to live a nice lifestyle for a bit longer. Luckily, the ranks of his affiliates are going down.

Gefen,

I have NO product of my own for sale here. If you paid attention to what I said in the video (& all my videos) you’d understand that I promote products that WORK that I have had personal experience with. I don’t promote just for the money like so many affiliates do – I actually spend my OWN MONEY to review the products (again something 99% of affiliates don’t do).

I know it takes time to make money online & I personally wasn’t expecting riches overnight from MMM. However, if you read his sales letter, it’s all hype: just put in 1 hour a day; make $300+/day; his faked income shots; etc. His target is newbies or people who know very little about Internet marketing.

I joined NOT to learn how to register a domain name or redirect (my web host has videos on how to do that), I joined to learn about the CPA stuff he has in his video featured so prominently on his site. You know, the Millnic Media one? The company that he claims he made all this money with & when you join you’ll see copy & paste campaigns you can follow. Where were the step-by-step videos on that? You know as well as I do that Millnic Media is nowhere to be found or ever mentioned again on the inside.

Why is it that when “Mack” lies, people forgive or make excuses for him? (You didn’t make any real money & you’re defending him too.) Is it because they want to believe in what he’s pushing so much that they’ll overlook anything? Jim Jones had people who believed in everything he said too…all the way up until they drank the Kool Aid!

I have an easy rule when looking for new programs, if you find one that looks good then Google it. If the page is covered in links trying to sell you the same program then 9 out of 10 it is a scam. Thank you Cynthia for doing the research and giving an honest review. Your honesty is much appreciated. I just hope the people reading this thread pay attention. Thanks again.

Redchilly,

You’re absolutely right. Internet marketing is full of hype. That’s why you have to be careful when you proceed. There are programs that are honest & don’t hype up their product, are much BETTER than the hypey ones & sell far fewer copies of their courses. I have a few under my “Resources” box. The flashy stuff attracts attention & people want to believe. The great programs get overlooked if they don’t scream “make fast money, own exotic cars, buy your dream mansion, achieve overnight riches, etc!” It’s sad.

Goodness Stan,

Ever heard of correct grammar? I’m assuming since you’ve commented on MSS, that you’ve used it. If not, you can’t make an intelligent comment about it. You’re right, there are no make-a-million-overnight strategies. Tell that to “Mack.” It’s not about having common sense with MMM. Newbies don’t know the difference between the good & the bad…they don’t have the experience yet. So selling crap mixed in with some workable info & targeting newbies (which “Mack” has done) is flat out wrong.

I’m not talking about “lazy naive wannabee millionaires” (they don’t implement anything). I’m talking about people who gave it a fair shot (in many cases much more than fair). And for you to blame the person who fails after following bogus advice is par for the course. That’s what everyone does to try to throw off the real culprit, which is the bad instruction. Let me guess, you’re an affiliate for it. Right?

Cynthia, I have a web forensic analysis of the Milnic Media video that “Mack” claims to have created his $2.6 million year affiliate business with and I am wondering if I should put this up?

I see that you have had your original video that set my on the straight and narrow removed from youtube.

What sort of legal heat has been applied to you regarding this?

My video exposes exactly why the Milnic video is a fake and how he has done it. I know this is the video that is creating the illusion, as it was the one that got me to join the so called “club” in the first place.

Do I exposed him even more or is this too risky, as it really does show why MM is based on shaky ground?

From the research I’ve been doing in recent weeks I’m come to realize one simple truth. A few of these gurus are hiring people to do voiceovers for their products and videos. ie. the ClickBank Code. The person claiming ownership of the products is a man by the name of Michael Jones. but the individual behind the voice is a man by the name of Ken Walker. Ken Walker has admitted in one of his videos that he has been hired from time to time to create educational products which often include him lending his voice to those projects. If you are basing your conclusion that Mack Michaels is also these other people simply on the voice you hear the you might want to consider the possibility that the guy doing the voice for the MMM is probably another individual selling his vocal services. Regarding, the Money Siphon System I can pretty much guarantee that the person you hear is actually Jonny Andrews. I’ve seen him in an interview with Jeff Czyzewski and his voice matches the voice you hear in his videos.

wow, this is incredible I have been studying internet marketing for a few months now 4 to be exact. I do not yet own a coaching course from any so called gurus. But I must say that your comments concerning this guy is a shame to the internet industry. Its amazing how many people like yourself take the time to put down another entrepreneur in an industry where trust is key to putting food on the table. Regardless if your comments are true or not, to me your credibility is the one being destroyed here. If I were you I would seriously apologize to this guy people reap what they sow. You owe him and his entire family an apology, this was the rudest insult to the online marketing industry i have ever seen. You actually took the time to make a video.lol Are you serious? I could see doing a comparison between two programs but you went to the trouble to disrespect his product and his name as if he did something you personally. It’s people like you that makes me think twice about entering this industry period.

vspninc,

You are more than welcome to your opinion but I do NOT owe “Mack” an apology. He owes all the people who tried his crap methods (that do not work) & failed an apology. If he had put out a decent product that worked (not just some of the methods but ALL of them – remember, he supposedly made millions following them), I’d have no issue with him. You blindly choose to ignore all the people who have failed following his step-by-step instruction but some how you blame ME for pointing it out. Hilarious! The fact that the guy’s dishonest…that’s MY fault, right? HE & others like him are what give IM a bad name. 4 months – you’ve got a long way to go in the IM industry. You don’t even know a con job when you see one yet. You’ll learn.

@Donald,

Clickbank is the easiest way to get a refund. Search on this page & you’ll find a link.

FYI vspninc,

“Mack” claims his company has been around for 12 years. There is no such evidence backing that. (As a matter of fact, that 1997 tagline/title is from the Warrior Forum). He changed the “As seen on” icons after I pointed them out. Why do you think that is? If it were the truth, he’d have left them. You don’t see the emails & PM’s I get. People are very grateful to know about the details. You ask simplistic questions in regard to a site that has LOTS of info inside. Again, you still have a lot to learn.

I tried some of the methods inside the members area myself so I speak from experience. But no matter what I say (or any proof I show), the defenders of this guy will believe what they want. Do the methods work? Some do, many don’t. My complaint all along has been since this “Mack” character claims to have used them to make his fortune, how come he doesn’t know which ones work & which do not? That’s the question any INTELLIGENT person should be asking – instead of justifying it. And why leave the unworkable ones in the members area at all? Do YOU want to be the guinea pig & spend your money testing until you hit upon a workable method? The people who contact me, don’t.

Obviously you have your opinion. I’m not going to change your mind nor are you going to change mine. I stand by what I said 110%. Speaking of “due diligence,” instead of coming down on me for pointing out this crap, investigate it for yourself. If you did your OWN due diligence, you would find exactly what I did…& more. I made this video 8 months ago when the “club” was only a couple of months old. There is even more to find now. Take a good look at the man you’re defending. You may want to take a look at this (in case you haven’t seen it already). Posting bogus jobs to make money (a CPA commission)? Did you notice they called it an act of FRAUD? A DECENT family man would NOT even entertain something like this…only a scammer would! This is the character of the man you defend. I think he owes EVERY single one of his members an apology for even suggesting this. But I guess it’s OK by the members, affiliates & defenders…anything for a buck, right?

BTW, “consumer advocates” investigate products for themselves (good, bad or in between) & report on them – EXACTLY what I have done on every product I review. I didn’t go in with the intention of slamming MMM. “Mack” made it easy by putting out an inferior product.

Hi Cynthia,

The forensic video I mentioned has mysteriously disappeared. It contained evidence that proved beyond reasonable doubt that the Millnic video was a fake.

What I can tell you about the content was there was analysis done on the numbers that “bore me so much” of the supposed affiliate commissions that produced the $2.6 million dollars in revenue to date as of the day in October 2008.

Interestingly the daily commission total when divided by the total number of sales always came out to a .05c or .15c figure. When compared to the total of commission payout figures inside of Millnic, only one or two in the 55 available could possibly produce a commission resulting in either .05c or .15c.

Clearly the work of a spreadsheet drag down the page forumula.

The other thing that was made very clear was the close up done on the supposed firefox browser security tab. When examined it is shown to have a one pixel rounded corner on the edge of the security tab (all firefox versions 1-3 have never had a rounded corner as it is a system produced box not an image) and the color of the border was slightly different to the browser window box border.

Mac made so much of this part of the video to “prove” that he was conducting a live browser session.

Clearly he was not. What was pointed out also was that to edit video and html source code of pages was very easy and when played back as a movie it is very easy to fool people, especially vulnerable folks who want to believe. (Like I was in the beginning).

Well that video (The Millnic Media video) has been removed from the MM sales page, perhaps Mac has a conscience after all? But if you look at his latest “theory” on the phone ideas, perhaps not.

Thanks for the link there to Citrix, I am glad to see they are exposing that one and distancing themselves from this scam.

The amount of pain out there with folks who have lost homes, families and jobs is huge and to target people at this point is unbelievable.

As I was reviewing his program for myself and others, I bought all his upgrades and the CPA program on the way through all the OTO’s (one time offers). When I saw what he was proposing with the CPA job scam I must say I thought of how this could be useful for anyone and concluded that there was no way in the world a lie like that was ok and returned it for a full refund which I got.

This was my first alarm bell and hope others can see this before going any further with this.

Cynthia, great job. The people who refuse to open their eyes are the ones who are spending $97/month or want a piece of someone’s $97/month. The vast majority of people who will learn something from your review are the people who are in neither category, the people who really want to know what’s up with MMM and so you’ve done your job.

What I don’t understand is why people have a problem when you point others in the right direction. If someone was looking at this opportunity and learned that it wasn’t for them, I’m sure they would be asking what works. I don’t know about MSS, I’ve never tried it. I’ve never tried MMM either but but I know something is wrong with it from doing research for feedback on people who actually were members.

I wouldn’t recommend MMM either and I hope the affiliates who are pushing this without experience can sleep well at night. I wouldn’t worry about convincing anyone because like I mentioned above, the crowd that really needs this review would have gotten it.

Talking of the Cell phone cash system…did you see the screenshot on the page where he wants people to believe that he earned that much using his system? That screenshot is his earnings from Maverick Money Makers and not from any testing associated with Cell phone cash. Man, he really knows how to trick ‘em.

Thanks Dirk,

I’m really getting fed up with marketers scamming people just because they can. Mack/Chris/Tan (or whatever name he has gone by in the past or will in the future) is absolutely consistent in his goal of scamming people out of their money by selling worthless courses that don’t work. He obviously has no conscience & only cares about HIMSELF & the money he can make by selling untested & unworkable “theory.” But, people continue to believe in the guy. (And they bash me for pointing out the fact that his stuff doesn’t work. Go figure!) There’s plenty of money to be made in the IM niche WITHOUT ripping people off. But it seems like being a rip off artist is in his nature.

BTW, hit find on your computer & search this page for “contacting ClickBank for a refund” to get the link to get a refund from Clickbank. You don’t have to wait for “Mack” to grant you one. Remember though, if you’ve been in for more than 1 month, you’ll only get back the first payment of $25. Mack keeps the rest. And maybe that was his plan all along. Why else would he stagger the videos over 6-7 weeks?

Sorry to hear that Raymond. But “Mack” is good at promoting THEORY that seems like it will work & looks good on video. But when it’s put to the test, people find out it DOESN’T WORK! The guy is at least consistent…at being a rip off artist who promotes crap! You don’t have to hope to get your money back. “Mack” has no control over whether you can get a refund or not. Go straight to Clickbank & put in for a refund. You’ll have your money back in a day or two.

Thanks Gina,

It’s good to see at least a few people understand what I was doing. I certainly would want to be warned if I was about to spend my hard earned money on something that was unworkable. Even if I went ahead & bought anyway & got ripped off…I couldn’t say I hadn’t been warned. And I’d have no one to blame but myself. As I’ve said before, I didn’t intend to bash the product but “Mack” made it easy by putting out a crappy course. Most of the haters NEVER even bought the program. I did, so I know from whence I speak. I had many affiliates mad at me because they felt I was hurting their ability to make a commission selling Mack’s untested “crap.” All they cared about was the money. Let’s hope the new FTC rules about fake income promises, disclosure & testimonials slow down some of this nonsense going on online. But scammers & rip off artists don’t follow the rules, so I doubt it.

First off, you all have to know that if your expectations is to make as much money as Mack claims, YOU WON’T !!

If you expect to make a fraction of money that he claims, you MAY !! That fraction is very tiny little fraction. You will most probably will NOT get back the money you invested.

The only thing this MMM website (INSIDE) does is to teach you a bunch of information. For that I paid $97 !! What a bull.

I guess, this is is another type of money making scam scheme on the web. Teach others for $97 per month!!

Thanks for this.

While I wouldn’t say MMM is a complete scam, I am definitely a quick learner and have had problems with the system. I have profited about $200 from the system (If you include the locked up funds in clickbank). Also, I was looking at the numbers as I think someone else mentioned.

2,600,000$ in commissions for the 13k members = average $200 a sale, and you know that it’s probably going to be a huge split between the people profiting and those not. That means that on average, everyone loses money with MMM, and only a few are actually profiting.

Most of the video content is outdated, a lot of the methods (Especially regarding free traffic) no longer work.. if they ever did.

Not worth $97 in any case, especially considering this guy seems to be just another guy who got rich off advertising that he got rich. (Which I seriously doubt was the case before MMM)

So, again, thank you for the review. I was considering buying deeper into the program, with the new products, but I cannot bring myself to work with someone who is so clearly dishonest. I didn’t choose this field of work to be cloned into a scammer, ya know.

5 Jan 2010 04:22
Maverick Money Makers – Don’t do it!

I just got off the phone with the Maverick Money Makers advisor. This is one of the sales points of the MMM Club. Guess what? MMM is just a ONE MAN SHOW. He outsources everything. This is what came straight from the advisor’s mouth after I started to confront him on a few points. Let me backtrack first…

I called last week for my free MMM consultation. They call me back on my mobile half way round the world and we talk. First the Advisor finds out who I am and what I want to achieve, etc. obviously assessing me for phase 2. He then says he is going to hand me over to somebody else – my mentor. He plays an audio clip and I take notes – very keen not to miss a word… The second guy comes online and talks to me about helping me to achieve my goal and wanting to sell me 2 products to give me a running start. I write down everything. 1 hour later he has to go and says he will call me back.

This is where my research starts and I find this blog and I look through my notes for keywords. Guess what – the clip referred to GLOBAL CASH FLOW NETWORK and the products he tried to sell me were the Media Placement Coordinator ($399) and Executive Media SEO Web Package ($1,831), GCFN products – I now knew I heard right!

So, I wait for his call and he calls an hour ago. I ask him what MMM has to do with GCFN and he says EVERYTHING! Mack is a one man show and just refers to other networks. GCFN is the Advisory Team. There is no club! Guess what – the Advisor says that everything MMM offers is outdated and can be used at entry level only. DO NOT USE IT – IT NO LONGER WORKS! Those are HIS words! So I say to him – what am I paying MMM for? What does VIP membership offer me? This is where the discussion got ugly and he tried to push me to put money down or put the phone down and of course you know my choice. No more GCFN and No MMM!

I urge readers to link to this post and spread the word in other forums.

Sorry for all you other affiliate marketers like me wanting to make it big like Mack – take your money elsewhere… Keep your eyes wide open.

Thanks for the warning. It takes a lot of courage to take a stand like you did.I am sure you have helped others in not wasting there money.

Hello Cynthia,

I just happened upon your website today and thank you so much. I went through the Cell Phone Cash course and found the info helpful because it was all new to me (re: advertising on cells phones). I have not yet tried any of the tactics and should probably give a follow-up to this post down the road if/when I do.

A few things: I did not find out until Week 7 that members had “unlimited access” (while we are a paying member) to resources, updates, the private community… I never received this info when I signed on to the course (perhaps I missed it somewhere). And, I just recently found out, though, that the community forum at MMM as been deactivated. So, I never got the use of this forum. Did you? I have no idea if any “fresh” info was ever added to the course over my several month membership. I’m thinking perhaps not (though I could be wrong).

Shocking news to me that Mack a.k.a Chris a.k.a. whomever else, is a multiple-personality character. Now I understand why he does not do any live training’s.

Thanks for your website and reviews – especially for the intent of helping others.

Has anyone else noticed that Mack Michaels says he is under 30?, lmfao. If Mack Michaels is under 30 then he is the oldest looking bloke I have ever seen for his age. I thought life was easier for multimillionares, they should at least be able to afford a good plastic surgeon, lol.

If MMM is not a scam I’ll be a monkeys uncle. Good on you Cynthia. Intelligence is what it’s all about.

Very funny the part with the testimonials. If they are making money with MMM, why they don’t have money to buy expensive stuff like a good webcam to “promote” or to create a good scene to fool around.
Guys, GO TO WORK! I’ms serious. Get a job.

Hi there Cynthia…long time no talk.

For anyone looking for the MP3 of “Mack Michaels” that Cynthia mentioned somewhere in one of the comments above, that link she gave no longer works anymore. It can now be found here: http://seohelpvideos.com/scams/mack-michaels

Hello everyone!
I’m not here to said who’s right or wrong. I have no right to said that. And i will never judge anyone’s company or product. And just to clear things up i’m not a member of MMM or MSS i’m just another network marketer passing by. I actually was going to leave the min i landed here, because i was actually looking for something else. Information on seo and the new update on bing. But since i was here, i watched the video and read some comment. Guys no one here is right nor is anyone wrong as well, as everyone has their own opinion. When you look at it “yes” MMM does look like a scam because so much are promise by the company and look like something they wont be able to deliver. They probably are i’m not sure cause i’m not a member. But everyone please listen to this OK “You can make money in any online business you join in. There are a few components you need to know to succeeding online and that is getting traffic to your site. Even if you have the wrost product in the world you can still make money if you know how to generate traffic. If you can teach people how to generate traffic, then they will make money and trust you and follow you anywhere you go. The main secret to online marketing is not a product or some e-books out there. Its all about the traffic, if you master how to get traffic then i can gaurantee you that even if you are selling grass or dodo you can make money. And thats the only real secret to online success and successful gurus out there.” Now MSS i don’t know how good it is as well as i’m not a member there too. But guys looking at MMM and MSS they both do offer similar service and product so either one can’t really bad mouth the other. I’m not going to said anything bad or good because in my personal opinion THERE IS NO BAD BUSINESS OUT THERE! It is the people that fail not the business opportunity the company offer and teaches. Alot of people would join in a business thinking they will show you a quick way to make thousands a month, HELL NO! They will show you how to get there but you must do it on your own. There are alot of scams out there yes. But if people are succeeding in the business and has been in business for longer then 5yrs then. they are doing ok and proving that it works. Everyone here reading this comment, once you become a successful online marketer you will start to see that, what out there is really a scam or not. And respect other people business, even if you fail in it. My Best Regards.. And I hope everyone become successful..

Hi there,

The thing that I find very surprising is that when I googled the Money Siphon 2.0 product of J. Andrews, many web pages came up as a scam! So, I am just wondering if either every other internet marketing products has its own scam niche or if some internet marketing are good but used by people who couldn’t make money with it and therefore called it spam? But then again, why put down a product (called a scam) and then praise another instead (also called a scam on other web pages and reviews). I’m actually a member of MMM and I did learn a few good things that I didn’t know before. Things that I could easily use to promote products as an affiliate. Obviously, the goal is not to stay in MMM as a member for too long, it’s been under a month now and I’m about to quit (I checked pretty much everything already). Nevertheless, I’ve been using some very useful programs before and I’ve seen them trashed as scam by some people. So it’s hard to really know what is a genuine scam and what it’s not. In my book, teaching some useful info for $97 is not a scam. I didn’t pay for the once-in-a-lifetime-Project CPA, I didn’t buy the phone adverts program nor the coaching, I am not planning to be a MMM member for ages, and for some stuff such as google adwords, I know exactly where to look for if I want to use them (start with the google adwords center!). But for the rest of it, I admit that I was happy to learn about them (offline advertising, and such). Also, knowing this club allowed me to find this website, on which I might find some really good internet marketing products. For the behind-closed-doors set-up of MMM, I don’t know what’s going on so I can’t say nothing about it. Of course, it is nice of you Cynthia to let people know some facts if they are true indeed, however, it is also fair to say, that even with some proven good techniques or programs, some people just can’t make money and others do (ebay, ebooks, affiliation, and so on). Now, is Money Siphon a scam or could we consider a legit system with some bad reviews? Thanks.

Great. Then I will continue to do what I do then, keep the methods that work Now, again, in my previous comment, I was asking about you putting down a program called scam (MMM) and praising another program that happens to came up as a scam on search engines too (Money Siphon).
It is very easy to verify this, people can just type the name on Google and see what comes up. Would you still say that this program is legit and has only bad reviews? Did you try it yourself and had good results? If so, then I’m sure that can you appreciate how the word “scam” means nothing and everything nowadays when some good programs used by incompetent people are not scams at all, and some so-so or poor programs are used by super talented people who can still make money out of it.

On a side note, I’d like to say that I’ve not been impressed by Stompernet, and as far as Frank Kern is concerned, although he has my respect as a “dude guru”, I would hope that his products work for the price at which he sells them (never bought them so far and don’t intend to). Thanks to go back to me about Money Siphon – my question is genuine- as I’m about to buy it and wouldn’t want to come back here to say that it was actually a scam

Hi Cynthia,

I actually wanted to drop you a quick note saying that I was going to buy it anyway (it’s pretty cheap)
It just goes to show that any product can be called scam, even if they are viable and they work.
Regarding MMM, I checked it on the web first, saw “MMM scam” all over the place but I trusted my judgment and I still bought it, and so far, I’m glad I did. Because I found some little gems inside and again, it did lead me to your website too on which I can find some other useful things, so for me it was money well spent.

I’ve been scammed before, as many others did, but in the end, I didn’t lose that much money and it didn’t put me off on internet marketing anyway.
I would think that it just a matter how what lessons you can gain from it, how to check things better next time and keep your optimism no matter what.

Thanks for your reply and keep up the good work.

Cynthia,
thank you for this video, it made me more aware and to be careful when looking on (get rich) sites. but what i dont quite get is that you dont explain the evidence of why MMM is a scam. you say the courses doesnt help you make money but all i can do is take your word for it and how can i tell if thats not a lie. im not a member of MMM or MSS. however, i was wondering if you join in as a affiliate gor either MMM and MSS…is that for FREE and the VIP membership is where you have to pay each month. can you explain, thatll be much of help. thank you

Hi Cynthia,

I would just like to say how refreshing it is to have someone like you who is prepared to reveal the truth about these online systems to people like me who is looking for a online business to get started. I only wish there were more like you, you do a fantastic job in helping us to make informed decisions on whether or not to buy. I only wish I had come accross you earlier, I am truly greatful for your comments.

Thank you and keep up the great work!

Cynthia,
Enjoy your stuff. I’m semi-retired from the iT industry, looking for a 2nd career (must be honest & portable). Any thoughts or suggestions?

I agree with Cynthia…theres no such a money maker program on internet today that makes u rich over night or a month. Those hu think to become rich within few weeks..i think they just dont wana work. PLEASE NOTE: there is NO work from home program available on the net today. Dont waist your money for these suckers

Maharaja,

You don’t have to rely on Mack to give you a refund. Go straight to Clickbank & request it (you have 56 days from date of purchase). I think it’s actually illegal for him not to have a link or some sort of info about how to get a refund if you want one. That right there shows you the kind of marketer he is.

There was no ulterior motive for creating my video. If you bothered to LISTEN to the video, you’ll realize I have NO PRODUCT of my own that I am promoting. I’ve PURCHASED & used both products & speak from actual EXPERIENCE with each. Have you? (It’s obvious from your comment that you haven’t.) Research the Net & you’ll see lots of people who have failed following “Mack’s” instruction. You don’t mention that you have USED his info. You just criticize me for reporting on what I found & for pointing to a product that does what his was supposed to do.

Anyway, I’m tired of people like you who speak from ignorance vs actually finding out for themselves. (How can someone speak intelligently on something they’ve never tried? They can’t! ) Go ahead & buy Mack’s program, TRY to use it & you’ll find out for yourself.

Hi Cynthia

I was so relieved after I’ve read ur reviews about MMM. Im a staying at home and on leave for now due to medical reasons. and I wanted to earn extra money for me and my family even im at home. I stumbled with MMM site and I have to tell u I was about to sign up with them until I saw ur site. Apparently all the other reviews that I read are saying gud things about this program, tht’s why im kinda convinced that this is a legit. The thing i noticed too is when they mentioned the payment method on the site they didn’t actually say tht the $97 is a monthly fee ( tht wud surprise me even more to find charges on my credit card ). I really need help. I have Zero ( let me say tht again. ) Zero.. zilch knowledge about IM and I’ve been seeing alot of site stating the same thing tht earn money at home. I really wanted to so tht’s y i need ur help. Can u at least give me sum sites tht I can try ( preferably less money to use for sign in.. im broke and im not in the position to throw money on scams ) Can U lead me in the right direction? I wud greatly appreciate it BIG TIME!!!!

I’m not going to lie about this. I’m 18 years old and used to sell a stupid eBook that was a crappy compilation off all kinds of eBooks I purchased that never worked for me. I made about 3 thousand dollars off of sales revenue. As an 18 year old, I was stocked.

But as a someone that has gone around buying into all kinds of scams, I can tell you first hand that NOTHING you buy on the internet is completely truthful. Sure there may be some ways to make money but everyone overkills it.

For example, Cynthia is telling you this to save you money yet the people that are retaliating are the people that want to get their lute from MMM. That’s why they’re protecting him. Now, I’m not saying Cynthia is right, because I haven’t bought into MMM after reading this but all I can say is that she has done her best to answer every single person that fights back in MMM’s name yet I haven’t seen a single one of those people answer back to her replies. Do I need to say why?

And lastly, I believe that MMM is a scam, and Cynthia’s video has truth but once again, she’s soliciting MSS with it, with is fairly hypocritical. There are some people that think she made this video to introduce MMS while others thinks it was to bash MMM. I think it was both. Sure, she’s soliciting MSS but she’s still using truth about MMM to do so.

Bottom line, I don’t vouch for MSS but I can’t say that MMM is probably a load of BS, just like most online scams. I mean, why the hell would anyone, even if they DID make a lot of money, share you their secrets. There is not one good reason I can think of.

Kevin,

As I’ve said MANY times in this page, I did NOT set out to bash MMM. The crappy product made it easy. You call me a hypocrite (I think you need to look up the actual definition of the word, young man). I am not. On the other hand, “Mack” is the epitome of one. MSS was presented as an alternative as something that WORKS – since people had been asking me privately what did! (I’ve tested both & can speak from actual experience – which most reviewers can’t.) As I’ve said before, don’t believe anything ANYONE says. Do your OWN due diligence & find out for sure! Sadly, most people won’t. That’s why they fall for scam after scam. My report on this page helps with that. But, what’s that saying? “You can lead a horse to water…”

Well Done Cynthia for putting the message out there about MMM.. I bought it off the internet 2years ago and tried all the strategies for 3months and had finally given up, as IT DID NOT WORK at ALL. Everyone else that has positive feedback to say about MMM is just simply here to promote MMM…not beneficial to anyone but themselves!! I have bought into so many online scams that I’m glad Cynthia uploaded this video..for anyone else that gets pulled in to MMM.

Hi “The Other” Mack,

You two don’t actually share a name because his is a pen name (as you know). You may’ve gotten the MMM thing to work, but you ADMIT it took “LOTS of work and many mistakes.” His program was supposed to be COMPLETE. You shouldn’t have had to go thru the trial & error of perfecting his info. Too many so-called “Guru’s,” who ultimately end up to be scammers, leave out the most vital parts to really making money. Good to see you’re logging your efforts & maybe you’ll create a decent product that delivers.